#CMEchat 35: Re-engineering the Data Stream
Great conversation this morning with colleagues from around the country and around the world as we talked about the complexity of new medical information flow and what can be done to improve it.
Here are our topics:
- For more background information please read the latest cover story in Medical Meetings:http://bit.ly/MedMtgDatastream
- T1 What is the best model for disseminating new medical information beyond the space and time of the major medical meeting? #CMEchat
- T2 What are the pros/cons of medical associations creating & archiving core slide decks available upon the data release? #CMEchat
- T3 What is the average balance of core content to local content in your average CME program? (best guess?) #CMEchat
- T4 Is there value in obligating authors to shepherd new data for a period of time to ensure that questions are answered? Explain. #CMEchat
- T5 For this model to work, feedback would be needed to describe strengths/weaknesses of core slides, could this be crowdsourced? #CMEchat
- T6 What are the major barriers to such a re-engineering: core content clearinghouse, faculty support, community feedback? #CMEchat
You can review the conversation below (start at the bottome) or download the transcripts HERE:
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mangelcesm #CMEchat Good bye, thanks!
rmtyner Ditto!! RT @MedPedsDoctor: Thanks to all for a great chat, and some good chuckles. Learned a lot today! #cmechat
kenny_cox Thanks for a good #cmechat @briansmcgowan
MedPedsDoctor Thanks to all for a great chat, and some good chuckles. Learned a lot today! #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan as always, #TOTD is anything written by @theCMEguy ;-) #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan Final thought. The goals of the CME community can be done much more simply an efficiently. We can re-engineer this system #CMEchat
kenny_cox Yes! @MedPedsDoctor: What I will take from this chat: opportunity exists to push for importance of Q&A, and archiving of Q&A #cmechat
theCMEguy @MedPedsDoctor The 1960's & 1970's are standing outside; they'd like to have a word with you... #CMEchat
timclynch TOTD Each house of medicine should control & refine new medical knowledge as it is vetted. we can then use THIS data to educate. #cmechat
MedPedsDoctor What I will take from this chat: opportunity exists to push for importance of Q&A, and archiving of Q&A #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan @theCMEguy - why would pharma have to pay for this...except maybe Sanofi's new loaner model... #CMEchat
kenny_cox #cmechat Clinicians will find their own "communities" that they trust - must be compiled without silos for PC… (cont) t.co/4OkV4B6i
MedPedsDoctor Thanks to @BrianSMcGowan for supporting the 1980s t.co/baj4L4HU t.co/KSx59SlG #cmechat
CMEChat The real impact of the #CMEchat lies in your action - engage others to participate & please take action on things your have learned! G’day!
CMEChat 2.As we get wrap up, please vote for the tweet of the day (#TOTD) seen during this week's #CMEchat.
CMEChat 1.Thx for participating in #CMEchat. discussions herein are assumed 2 b personal opinion & not that of current, past, or future employers.
MedPedsDoctor T6 Major barriers: cost, deciding what goes into clearinghouse, deciding who will teach the clearinghouse #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan t.co/tgoefvCM @theCMEguy: t.co/8i1PT1F5 RT @MedPedsDoctor: Grooving: t.co/U8lQHJwP #cmechat
MedPedsDoctor TOTD challenge. There are those who believe that the 1980s was the best decade of music, and there are those who are wrong (haha) #cmechat
CMEChat T6 What are the major barriers to such a re-engineering: core content clearinghouse, faculty support, community feedback? #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan we get a re-engineered datastream? A RT @timclynch: T5 PubMed, ClinTrials, SoMe, Watson put it all in a blender and we get _____ #cmechat
MedPedsDoctor @timclynch Put it all into a blender and you get what is known as primary care #cmechat
kenny_cox A TOTD Challenge! @theCMEguy: t.co/xcUPFtBk RT @MedPedsDoctor: Grooving: t.co/8sp7BHIR #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan @timclynch - ACC for cadiology. ASCO for oncology. AUA for urology. ADA for diabetes...these shops should take ownership... #cmechat
theCMEguy t.co/gBhM6Tcl RT @MedPedsDoctor: Grooving: t.co/V4se1ELY #cmechat
spelletier MT @timclynch: T5, We need crowdsourcing system that can take in all and organize, slideshare, prezi, podcasts, simulations, etc. #cmechat
timclynch T5 a Mashup of ACCME, PubMed, t.co/kizihSl5, SoMe sites, IBM's Watson put it all in a blender and we get _____ #cmechat
MedPedsDoctor @timclynch ABMS is leading. MOC is way 2 "force" docs to look at quality (except those grand-personed in) of own personal practice #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan T5- 'slides' for CME should have unique flavor - ABSOLUTELY. it is core content we should be curating & refining. #CMEchat
theCMEguy Grant proposal? #CMEchat RT @BrianSMcGowan: T5 - anybody want to lend me some money to build the system ;-)
spelletier @MedPedsDoctor @kenny_cox LOL! #cmechat
timclynch R u saying rely on ABMS to lead? RT @BrianSMcGowan: T5 - Each house of medicine should control & refine new medical knowledge #cmechat
kenny_cox Nice: TOTD - RT @MedPedsDoctor: Grooving: t.co/8sp7BHIR #cmechat
timclynch T5, Yes, croudsourcing. We need a system that can take in all and organize, slideshare, prezi, podcasts, simulations, etc. #cmechat
MedPedsDoctor .@spelletier Now that sounds like a job title: "uber-curator". Could also be a band ... #cmechat
kenny_cox #cmechat Driving participation with text, tweets, emails @MedPedsDoctor: Making data accessible: Slideshare, blogs, tweeting about it,
BrianSMcGowan T5 - Each 'house of medicine' should control & refine new medical knowledge as it is vetted. we can then use THIS data to educate. #CMEchat
theCMEguy Yup t.co/SlmcRmUF MT @BrianSMcGowan: right but the ACCME should be archiving your questoin...that's point #CMEchat
MedPedsDoctor Grooving: t.co/5m9WRNsI #cmechat
spelletier we need an uber-curator to pull it all together in one place, a CME Google #cmechat
MedPedsDoctor Making data accessible: Slideshare, blogs, tweeting about it, hashtags, websites #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan t5 - the group is really grooving now, so I guess the topics were pretty well ordered...#CMEchat
timclynch Q&A is when participants wake up. RT @SusanBConnelly: In many cases the Q&A has the most valuable information to the learner #cmechat
CMEChat T5 For this model to work, feedback would be needed to describe strengths/weaknesses of core slides, could this be crowdsourced? #CMEchat
spelletier T4 we're swinging back to clearinghouse--how do we make all this data/responses/localization of data accessible? #cmechat
theCMEguy @MedPedsDoctor No, but more valuable than if it just disappeared entirely #CMEchat
SusanBConnelly In many cases the Q&A has the most valuable information to the learner #CMEChat
MedPedsDoctor Agree. Learning tons! MT @SusanBConnelly: Very interesting discussion today regarding dissemination of new data on #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan @theCMEguy - right but the ACCME should be archiving your questoin...that is the point. w/o curation the system fails to help. #CMEchat
timclynch T4: Is there a PubMed type service that indexes all CME? #cmechat
kenny_cox Many still utilize print - maybe combination? QR code leading to Q&A online? @spelletier: journal model broken #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan T4 - imagine a system where this Q&A & knowledge is shared. the obligation does not have to be burdensome. Technology helps. #CMEchat
theCMEguy @BrianSMcGowan Agreed! This is why I archive Q&A sessions with the ACCME on my blog: so more people can learn than just me! #CMEchat
MedPedsDoctor Another example: archive of Tweet chats. Available within seconds 4 people to review. Still not the same as being in the chat #cmechat
SusanBConnelly Very interesting discussion today regarding dissemination of new data on #CMEChat
timclynch @spelletier T4 on their site, MECCs site, journals site? Where is the curation happening? #WantOneSource or #LetGoogleHandle it #cmechat
spelletier @MedPedsDoctor journal model is kind of broken 4 today's firehose pace, imho. #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan but the value is lost if not archived and shared. RT @theCMEguy: T4: Any time an expert is available for questions, there is value. #CMEchat
MedPedsDoctor yes. Agree RT @BrianSMcGowan: and if one audience member has a question, shouldnt we archive that question for general knowledge? #cmechat
timclynch @theCMEguy t3: Have participated in "regional" meetings that were same content from one region to the next. - thats a roadshow :-) #cmechat
kenny_cox T4 Obligation vs. desire to teach. So much depends on the author - but somehow must be available for 4-6 mnths for online Qstns #cmechat
MedPedsDoctor MT @spelletier: t4 in ideal world, auths present at conf, archived online, auths then avail via web, phone, twitter, for 6 months #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan @MedPedsDoctor - and behind a paywall, and hardly disseminated...and hardly transparent. We MUST do better! #cmechat
theCMEguy T4: Any time an expert is available for questions, there is value. #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan @MedPedsDoctor - and if one audience member has a question, shouldn't we archive that question for general knowledge? #cmechat
spelletier t4 in ideal world, authors present at conf, archived online, auths then available via web, phone, twitter, whatever for six months #cmechat
MedPedsDoctor Shepherding data: this is often done in other ways. Ex: jrnl letters to the editor. Prob is: process is slow (5 months later) #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan @spelletier - i don'tt think there is much variation here. think about the references on the slides. each ref could be 'core' #cmechat
timclynch RT @BrianSMcGowan: T3 - given the type of planning I have seen in the past 5 years. I wld say 90% of programs have 90% core content #cmechat
MedPedsDoctor T4. Obligations 2 educate: show data, show your interpretations of data. Let audience members decide their own interpretation #cmechat
theCMEguy @BrianSMcGowan When I worked at community hospital, CME was much more localized. Agree that context is large part. #CMEchat
CMEChat .@MedPedsDoctor any and all questions that are submitted are archived and answered by the faculty for 30-90 days post release? #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan T4 - a few folks brought this up already....imagine ur data is accepted at an annual mtg. what are your obligations to educate? #CMEchat
MedPedsDoctor @CMEChat Define what "shepherd new data" means. Not understanding question. #cmechat
spelletier @BrianSMcGowan Across the board 90% core for 90%? Diff types of activities differ in this? #cmechat
mtmdphd RT @BrianSMcGowan: Data that are presented at annual meetings must be curated more effectively. t.co/zPrZ6ODO #CMEchat
CMEChat T4 Is there value in obligating authors to shepherd new data for a period of time to ensure that questions are answered? Explain. #CMEchat
theCMEguy t3: Have participated in "regional" meetings that were same content from one region to the next. Not sure how that's regional #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan T3 - given the type of planning I have seen in the past 5 years. I wld say 90% of programs have 90% core content #sadly #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan T3 - this is a fun question b/c you are really forced to see how MOST CME is designed today...#CMEchat
theCMEguy @spelletier Not sure I would say "larger"; maybe broader in scope? #CMEchat
MedPedsDoctor core:local also depends on audience. A hepatologist talking to primary care docs: how message is heard is different #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan T3 @spelletier - right for any kind of satellite symposium the number is likley 90:10 for grand rounds hopefully 25/75? #cmechat
spelletier t3 the larger the audience, the more generic the content, right? Or would gd program include specs for diff contexts? #cmechat
mangelcesm RT @CMEChat: T1 What is the best model for disseminating new medical information beyond the space and time of the major medical meeting? #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan T3 - I see this as a question about how most education is crafted. At a minimum intro/background sections could be 'shared' #CMEchat
spelletier t3 for nat'l confs, I'd guess core:local would be at least 90:10 if not higher core #cmechat
theCMEguy T3: That really depends. If CME program targeted at national audience, % local content likely very small. #CMEchat
MedPedsDoctor "Local content" = context. Core content shouldn't be different anywhere. #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan @laurenero - but it probably saves even more time and even more resources...if it could be leveraged nationally #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan @MedPedsDoctor - so see T3...as thing change or as local environments differ, some %age of content can be modified... #cmechat
MedPedsDoctor I like the one database per med assn., but still some disagree. Ex: when to do mammograms. ACP is different from ACR #cmechat
laurenero My org has a core curriculum that is updated with new med data by experts. It requires huge commitment and resources. #CMEchat
CMEChat T3 (odd Q, but) What is the average balance of core content to local content in your average CME program? (best guess?) #CMEchat
mangelcesm #CMEchat T2 @BrianSMcGowan Too much events, too much subjects. How to assess previous validity of actual content in each event?
spelletier RT @BrianSMcGowan: T2 - when new data is presented is the moment when medical assns can begin to control quality. from the source. #cmechat
MedPedsDoctor T2. New data can be presented, but context is changing. Ex: new duty hrs 4 residency completely changed paradigm for how 2 teach. #cmechat
theCMEguy They can be overwhelming if not organized carefully RT @MedPedsDoctor: A clearinghouse works in an ideal world. #toomany #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan T2 - IMO seems that the clearinghouse model solves the problems of organization and searchability...one database per medical assn. #CMEchat
spelletier Yes, and also quality/relatability 2 local practice RT @mangelcesm: #CMEchat T2 Too much events How to classify their importance? #cmechat
kenny_cox RT @kenny_cox: Clearinghouse definition? @BrianSMcGowan: T2 - @MedPedsDoctor - i might argue that there are many channels… #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan T2 - when new data is presented. that is the moment when medical assn's can begin to control quality. from the source. #CMEchat
mangelcesm #CMEchat T2 Too much events for review... How do we to classify their importance?
BrianSMcGowan @spelletier - we will address quality...this too can be engineered into the system via continuous improvement #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan T2 - @MedPedsDoctor - i might argue that there are many channels, yes. but there are no true clearinghouse for new medical content. #CMEchat
spelletier t2 also depends on the quality of the slide decks as standalone resources #cmechat
MedPedsDoctor RT @kenny_cox: T2 challenges when trying 2 find information applicable 2 their practice. Organization & searchability are crucial #cmechat
MedPedsDoctor A clearinghouse works in an ideal world. Problem is, there are 10 million "clearinghouses" for primary care docs. #toomany #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan @mangelcesm - but remember that the content is created (in most cases) before the new information is even presented, speed is easy #CMEchat
kenny_cox T2 challenges when trying to find information applicable to their practice. Organization and searchability are crucial #cmechat
spelletier t2 cons: unless faculty is available, have to interpret slide decks on their own, try to adjust to local circumstances w/out input #cmechat
mangelcesm #CMEchat T1 Hummm, we'd make equilibriums between validity and 'disseminability', mainly if speed does matter
BrianSMcGowan t2 - the clearest win in the core content model is cost and fidelity. a clearinghouse would save tens of millions of dollars. #CMEchat
spelletier t2 pros: learners get direct access to data, don't have to rely on others' interpretations #cmechat
kenny_cox Have faculty on retainer and editor prompt when response is necessary RT @spelletier: @kenny_cox like idea of having faculty avail;#cmechat
TodaysHospital RT @MedPedsDoctor: credits are to compliance like accreditation is to quality #cmechat
MedPedsDoctor Archiving is critical. All the time, I say: "I remember a talk at BLANK mtg about X". Now, can pull it up. Yeah, @evernote @myEN #cmechat
theCMEguy @rmtyner I'll add I have participated in an accredited rapid model & was fairly "successful". Not easy, tho #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan T2 What are the pros/cons of medical associations creating & archiving core slide decks available upon the data release? #CMEchat
spelletier @kenny_cox like idea of having faculty avail; how to do that in real time? Web site faculty monitor for RT Q&A? #cmechat
CMEChat T2 What are the pros/cons of medical associations creating & archiving core slide decks available upon the data release? #CMEchat
MedPedsDoctor As an educator, the system should be easily accessible, on the learner's time. However, there is nothing like a "real" mtg 2 learn #cmechat
theCMEguy @spelletier Agreed, but I think there may be some value to the personal POV #CMEchat
MedPedsDoctor The educator needs to understand the learner point of view. That's why I take the same "courses"/credits are everyone else #cmechat
rmtyner @theCMEguy I would agree that accreditation does not accommodate rapid dissemination - just wanted to make sure :) #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan @mangelcesm - good point. the notion of validity is essential. new information must be high fidelity... #CMEchat
theCMEguy @rmtyner In the context we are discussing here, I think they matter very little. Not conducive to a rapid learning experience #CMEchat
kenny_cox Definitely need to have the faculty available for further communication. Questions need answers without tremendous barriers #cmechat
rmtyner T1 need to go to where the learners are... not make the learners come to content #CMEchat
spelletier Me 2 except for potential source bias RT @theCMEguy: T1: I like example of the blogger as disseminator. #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan t1 @MedPedsDoctor so you go for 'access' as a learner, but as an educator, what should the system look like? #cmechat
MedPedsDoctor credits are to compliance like accreditation is to quality #cmechat
mangelcesm #CMEchat Miguel Ãngel GarcÃa from Madrid (Spain) Do validity and fiability matter, or only dissemination?
theCMEguy T1: I like example of the blogger as disseminator. So many different ways you can go with that. I like the idea of an actual voice #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan .@rmtyner - no way jose. credits have never been proven to motivate learning. they have been proven to complicate education... #CMEchat
MedPedsDoctor T1. I am enjoying (as a customer) online CME learning. 1. EpocratesCME 2. Pedialink t.co/HRNPktxv #cmechat
CMEChat t1 - 'best' in terms of connecting new data to improved patient care. reach and speed and fidelity all essential. #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan T1 - there may not be a single right answer, but i wld vote for something rapid, local, w/ a connection to the original data #CMEchat
rmtyner T1 - I know that we are in the #CMEchat but does the information need to be accredited or just disseminated? Do CME credits matter??
theCMEguy T1: Best = ?. Reachest largest audience? #CMEchat
spelletier T1 @CMEChat define best? Best in terms of reach, understanding? #cmechat
CMEChat T1 What is the best model for disseminating new medical information beyond the space and time of the major medical meeting? #CMEchat
theCMEguy Basketball? RT @MedPedsDoctor: Right now, Indianapolis is dominating this chat. Wish it were the same in football ... #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan One great #IHI quote: Pencils & diamonds same substrate different connections - pencil more useful, diamds more valuable... #CMEchat
theCMEguy @BrianSMcGowan @spelletier I don't think that would go over so well...#CMEchat
doclake RT @BrianSMcGowan: not sure if anyone has the time, but the stream from #IHI is marvelous - this is a meeting that all CME pro's should attend #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan For more background information please read the latest cover story in Medical Meetings:http://t.co/xJ8Z9PB6 #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan so can you...RT @theCMEguy: @spelletier Yeah, but you can participate in #CMEchat in your PJ's...
MedPedsDoctor Right now, Indianapolis is dominating this chat. Wish it were the same in football ... #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan It think we have an interesting topic today: "re-engineering the data stream" love to get some great insights into the model #CMEchat
theCMEguy @spelletier Yeah, but you can participate in #CMEchat in your PJ's...
laurenero Lauren here from rainy Maryland #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan Too much writing, to attend...sadly. RT @MedPedsDoctor: Brian, are you there at #IHI in Orlando, or following via computer stream? #cmechat
theCMEguy I'm back. 5 lbs heavier. #godiva #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan nope...RT @rmtyner: Michelle - checking in from Indiana - didn't do the homework? am I going to lose points?? #CMEchat
MedPedsDoctor Brian, are you there at #IHI in Orlando, or following via computer stream? #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan And for those at #IHI you may want to peer into #CMEchat (now) to get a sense of what those in CME are trying to do to improve healthcare
rmtyner Michelle - checking in from Indiana - didn't do the homework? am I going to lose points?? #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan not sure if anyone has the time, but the stream from #IHI is marvelous - this is a meeting that all CME pro's should attend #CMEchat
spelletier @theCMEguy that's one of the bummer's of telecommuting: no Godiva gift baskets (or snow days)! #cmechat
MedPedsDoctor Alex Djuricich, MD, from the great state of Indiana. CME Assoc Dean, & Prog Dir of MedPeds residency at IUSM #cmechat
kenny_cox Kenny here - enjoyed the homework, looking forward to a good discussion on #cmechat
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theCMEguy Gonna be late for #CMEchat. Godiva gift basket just arrived in the lunchroom...
spelletier 5 minutes until #CMEchat Topic: How data gets disseminated & what happens after an Annual mtg t.co/72bheudz [HOMEWORK] #cmechat
Bonnycastle @theCMEguy @BrianSMcGowan I'm one of the people who doesn't participate in #CMEchat simply because I am too busy right now
Bonnycastle RT @MedPubDirector: #mededmooc is starting to take shape-tweeps are beginning to express an interest in signup t.co/gSg9CLEV #meded #cmechat #nhs #some
BrianSMcGowan Impact on business models, copyright, or membership value must be addressed though parallel innovation t.co/zPrZ6ODO #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan Local institutions must stream feedback into the clearinghouse system 2 refine model overtime. t.co/zPrZ6ODO #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan Technology should allow local institutions to pull the new medical information into their networks. t.co/zPrZ6ODO #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan Authors should b obligated 2 shepherd new data for a period of time 2 ensure that questions r answered. t.co/zPrZ6ODO #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan Societies/associations must develop clearinghouse models that enable rapid and open access. t.co/zPrZ6ODO #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan Data that are presented at annual meetings must be curated more effectively. t.co/zPrZ6ODO #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan 2 hrs until #CMEchat this week: How data gets disseminated & what happens after an Annual medical mtg t.co/0LvBxJ3X [HOMEWORK]




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