#CMEchat 35: Re-engineering the Data Stream

Great conversation this morning with colleagues from around the country and around the world as we talked about the complexity of new medical information flow and what can be done to improve it.

Here are our topics:

  • For more background information please read the latest cover story in Medical Meetings:http://bit.ly/MedMtgDatastream
  • T1 What is the best model for disseminating new medical information beyond the space and time of the major medical meeting? #CMEchat
  • T2 What are the pros/cons of medical associations creating & archiving core slide decks available upon the data release? #CMEchat
  • T3 What is the average balance of core content to local content in your average CME program? (best guess?) #CMEchat
  • T4 Is there value in obligating authors to shepherd new data for a period of time to ensure that questions are answered? Explain. #CMEchat
  • T5 For this model to work, feedback would be needed to describe strengths/weaknesses of core slides, could this be crowdsourced? #CMEchat
  • T6 What are the major barriers to such a re-engineering: core content clearinghouse, faculty support, community feedback? #CMEchat

You can review the conversation below (start at the bottome) or download the transcripts HERE:

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mangelcesm      #CMEchat Good bye, thanks!

rmtyner               Ditto!! RT @MedPedsDoctor: Thanks to all for a great chat, and some good chuckles.  Learned a lot today! #cmechat

kenny_cox          Thanks for a good #cmechat @briansmcgowan

MedPedsDoctor               Thanks to all for a great chat, and some good chuckles.  Learned a lot today! #cmechat

BrianSMcGowan              as always, #TOTD is anything written by @theCMEguy ;-) #CMEchat

BrianSMcGowan              Final thought. The goals of the CME community can be done much more simply an efficiently. We can re-engineer this system #CMEchat

kenny_cox          Yes! @MedPedsDoctor: What I will take from this chat: opportunity exists to push for importance of Q&A, and archiving of Q&A #cmechat

theCMEguy        @MedPedsDoctor The 1960's & 1970's  are standing outside; they'd like to have a word with you... #CMEchat

timclynch             TOTD Each house of medicine should control & refine new medical knowledge as it is vetted. we can then use THIS data to educate. #cmechat

MedPedsDoctor               What I will take from this chat: opportunity exists to push for importance of Q&A, and archiving of Q&A #cmechat

BrianSMcGowan              @theCMEguy - why would pharma have to pay for this...except maybe Sanofi's new loaner model... #CMEchat

kenny_cox          #cmechat Clinicians will find their own "communities" that they trust - must be compiled without silos for PC… (cont) t.co/4OkV4B6i

MedPedsDoctor               Thanks to @BrianSMcGowan for supporting the 1980s t.co/baj4L4HU t.co/KSx59SlG #cmechat

CMEChat             The real impact of the #CMEchat lies in your action - engage others to participate & please take action on things your have learned! G’day!

CMEChat             2.As we get wrap up, please vote for the tweet of the day (#TOTD) seen during this week's #CMEchat.

CMEChat             1.Thx for participating in #CMEchat. discussions herein are assumed 2 b personal opinion & not that of current, past, or future employers.

MedPedsDoctor               T6 Major barriers: cost, deciding what goes into clearinghouse, deciding who will teach the clearinghouse #cmechat

BrianSMcGowan              t.co/tgoefvCM @theCMEguy: t.co/8i1PT1F5 RT @MedPedsDoctor: Grooving: t.co/U8lQHJwP  #cmechat

MedPedsDoctor               TOTD challenge.  There are those who believe that the 1980s was the best decade of music, and there are those who are wrong (haha) #cmechat

CMEChat             T6 What are the major barriers to such a re-engineering: core content clearinghouse, faculty support, community feedback? #CMEchat

BrianSMcGowan              we get a re-engineered datastream? A RT @timclynch: T5 PubMed, ClinTrials, SoMe, Watson put it all in a blender and we get _____ #cmechat

MedPedsDoctor               @timclynch Put it all into a blender and you get what is known as primary care #cmechat

kenny_cox          A TOTD Challenge!  @theCMEguy: t.co/xcUPFtBk RT @MedPedsDoctor: Grooving: t.co/8sp7BHIR  #cmechat

BrianSMcGowan              @timclynch - ACC for cadiology. ASCO for oncology. AUA for urology. ADA for diabetes...these shops should take ownership... #cmechat

theCMEguy        t.co/gBhM6Tcl RT @MedPedsDoctor: Grooving: t.co/V4se1ELY  #cmechat

spelletier             MT @timclynch: T5, We need crowdsourcing system that can take in all and organize, slideshare, prezi, podcasts, simulations, etc. #cmechat

timclynch             T5 a Mashup of ACCME, PubMed, t.co/kizihSl5, SoMe sites, IBM's Watson put it all in a blender and we get _____ #cmechat

MedPedsDoctor               @timclynch ABMS is leading.  MOC is way 2 "force" docs to look at quality (except those grand-personed in) of own personal practice #cmechat

BrianSMcGowan              T5-  'slides' for CME should have unique flavor - ABSOLUTELY. it is core content we should be curating & refining. #CMEchat

theCMEguy        Grant proposal? #CMEchat RT @BrianSMcGowan: T5 - anybody want to lend me some money to build the system ;-)

spelletier             @MedPedsDoctor @kenny_cox LOL! #cmechat

timclynch             R u saying rely on ABMS to lead? RT @BrianSMcGowan: T5 - Each house of medicine should control & refine new medical knowledge  #cmechat

kenny_cox          Nice: TOTD - RT @MedPedsDoctor: Grooving: t.co/8sp7BHIR  #cmechat

timclynch             T5, Yes, croudsourcing.  We need a system that can take in all and organize, slideshare, prezi, podcasts, simulations, etc. #cmechat

MedPedsDoctor               .@spelletier Now that sounds like a job title: "uber-curator".  Could also be a band ... #cmechat

kenny_cox          #cmechat Driving participation with text, tweets, emails @MedPedsDoctor: Making data accessible: Slideshare, blogs, tweeting about it,

BrianSMcGowan              T5 - Each 'house of medicine' should control & refine new medical knowledge as it is vetted. we can then use THIS data to educate. #CMEchat

theCMEguy        Yup t.co/SlmcRmUF MT @BrianSMcGowan: right but the ACCME should be archiving your questoin...that's point #CMEchat

MedPedsDoctor               Grooving: t.co/5m9WRNsI  #cmechat

spelletier             we need an uber-curator to pull it all together in one place, a CME Google #cmechat

MedPedsDoctor               Making data accessible: Slideshare, blogs, tweeting about it, hashtags, websites #cmechat

BrianSMcGowan              t5 - the group is really grooving now, so I guess the topics were pretty well ordered...#CMEchat

timclynch             Q&A is when participants wake up. RT @SusanBConnelly: In many cases the Q&A has the most valuable information to the learner #cmechat

CMEChat             T5 For this model to work, feedback would be needed to describe strengths/weaknesses of core slides, could this be crowdsourced? #CMEchat

spelletier             T4 we're swinging back to clearinghouse--how do we make all this data/responses/localization of data accessible? #cmechat

theCMEguy        @MedPedsDoctor No, but more valuable than if it just disappeared entirely #CMEchat

SusanBConnelly                In many cases the Q&A has the most valuable information to the learner #CMEChat

MedPedsDoctor               Agree.  Learning tons! MT @SusanBConnelly: Very interesting discussion today regarding dissemination of new data on #cmechat

BrianSMcGowan              @theCMEguy - right but the ACCME should be archiving your questoin...that is the point. w/o curation the system fails to help. #CMEchat

timclynch             T4:  Is there a PubMed type service that indexes all CME?  #cmechat

kenny_cox          Many still utilize print - maybe combination?  QR code leading to Q&A online? @spelletier:  journal model broken #cmechat

BrianSMcGowan              T4 - imagine a system where this Q&A & knowledge is shared. the obligation does not have to be burdensome. Technology helps. #CMEchat

theCMEguy        @BrianSMcGowan Agreed! This is why I archive Q&A sessions with the ACCME on my blog: so more people can learn than just me! #CMEchat

MedPedsDoctor               Another example: archive of Tweet chats.  Available within seconds 4 people to review.  Still not the same as being in the chat #cmechat

SusanBConnelly                Very interesting discussion today regarding dissemination of new data on #CMEChat

timclynch             @spelletier T4 on their site, MECCs site, journals site?  Where is the curation happening? #WantOneSource or #LetGoogleHandle it #cmechat

spelletier             @MedPedsDoctor journal model is kind of broken 4 today's firehose pace, imho.  #cmechat

BrianSMcGowan              but the value is lost if not archived and shared. RT @theCMEguy: T4: Any time an expert is available for questions, there is value. #CMEchat

MedPedsDoctor               yes. Agree RT @BrianSMcGowan:  and if one audience member has a question, shouldnt we archive that question for general knowledge? #cmechat

timclynch             @theCMEguy t3: Have participated in "regional" meetings that were same content from one region to the next. - thats a roadshow :-) #cmechat

kenny_cox          T4 Obligation vs. desire to teach.  So much depends on the author - but somehow must be available for 4-6 mnths for online Qstns #cmechat

MedPedsDoctor               MT @spelletier: t4 in ideal world, auths present at conf, archived online, auths then avail via web, phone, twitter, for 6 months #cmechat

BrianSMcGowan              @MedPedsDoctor - and behind a paywall, and hardly disseminated...and hardly transparent. We MUST do better! #cmechat

theCMEguy        T4: Any time an expert is available for questions, there is value. #CMEchat

BrianSMcGowan              @MedPedsDoctor - and if one audience member has a question, shouldn't we archive that question for general knowledge? #cmechat

spelletier             t4 in ideal world, authors present at conf, archived online, auths then available via web, phone, twitter, whatever for six months #cmechat

MedPedsDoctor               Shepherding data: this is often done in other ways.  Ex: jrnl letters to the editor.  Prob is: process is slow (5 months later) #cmechat

BrianSMcGowan              @spelletier - i don'tt think there is much variation here. think about the references on the slides. each ref could be 'core'  #cmechat

timclynch             RT @BrianSMcGowan: T3 - given the type of planning I have seen in the past 5 years. I wld say 90% of programs have 90% core content #cmechat

MedPedsDoctor               T4.  Obligations 2 educate: show data, show your interpretations of data.  Let audience members decide their own interpretation #cmechat

theCMEguy        @BrianSMcGowan When I worked at community hospital, CME was much more localized. Agree that context is large part. #CMEchat

CMEChat             .@MedPedsDoctor any and all questions that are submitted are archived and answered by the faculty for 30-90 days post release?  #cmechat

BrianSMcGowan              T4 - a few folks brought this up already....imagine ur data is accepted at an annual mtg. what are your obligations to educate? #CMEchat

MedPedsDoctor               @CMEChat Define what "shepherd new data" means.  Not understanding question. #cmechat

spelletier             @BrianSMcGowan Across the board 90% core for 90%? Diff types of activities differ in this? #cmechat

mtmdphd            RT @BrianSMcGowan: Data that are presented at annual meetings must be curated more effectively. t.co/zPrZ6ODO #CMEchat

CMEChat             T4 Is there value in obligating authors to shepherd new data for a period of time to ensure that questions are answered? Explain. #CMEchat

theCMEguy        t3: Have participated in "regional" meetings that were same content from one region to the next. Not sure how that's regional #CMEchat

BrianSMcGowan              T3 - given the type of planning I have seen in the past 5 years. I wld say 90% of programs have 90% core content #sadly #CMEchat

BrianSMcGowan              T3 - this is a fun question b/c you are really forced to see how MOST CME is designed today...#CMEchat

theCMEguy        @spelletier Not sure I would say "larger"; maybe broader in scope? #CMEchat

MedPedsDoctor               core:local also depends on audience.  A hepatologist talking to primary care docs: how message is heard is different #cmechat

BrianSMcGowan              T3 @spelletier - right for any kind of satellite symposium the number is likley 90:10 for grand rounds hopefully 25/75? #cmechat

spelletier             t3 the larger the audience, the more generic the content, right? Or would gd program include specs for diff contexts? #cmechat

mangelcesm      RT @CMEChat: T1 What is the best model for disseminating new medical information beyond the space and time of the major medical meeting? #CMEchat

BrianSMcGowan              T3 - I see this as a question about how most education is crafted.  At a minimum intro/background sections could be 'shared' #CMEchat

spelletier             t3 for nat'l confs, I'd guess core:local would be at least 90:10 if not higher core #cmechat

theCMEguy        T3: That really depends. If CME program targeted at national audience, % local content likely very small. #CMEchat

MedPedsDoctor               "Local content" = context.  Core content shouldn't be different anywhere. #cmechat

BrianSMcGowan              @laurenero - but it probably saves even more time and even more resources...if it could be leveraged nationally #CMEchat

BrianSMcGowan              @MedPedsDoctor - so see T3...as thing change or as local environments differ, some %age of content can be modified... #cmechat

MedPedsDoctor               I like the one database per med assn., but still some disagree.  Ex: when to do mammograms.  ACP is different from ACR #cmechat

laurenero            My org has a core curriculum that is updated with new med data by experts.  It requires huge commitment and resources. #CMEchat

CMEChat             T3 (odd Q, but) What is the average balance of core content to local content in your average CME program? (best guess?) #CMEchat

mangelcesm      #CMEchat T2 @BrianSMcGowan Too much events, too much subjects. How to assess previous validity of actual content in each event?

spelletier             RT @BrianSMcGowan: T2 - when new data is presented is the moment when medical assns can begin to control quality. from the source. #cmechat

MedPedsDoctor               T2. New data can be presented, but context is changing.  Ex: new duty hrs 4 residency completely changed paradigm for how 2 teach. #cmechat

theCMEguy        They can be overwhelming if not organized carefully RT @MedPedsDoctor: A clearinghouse works in an ideal world.  #toomany #cmechat

BrianSMcGowan              T2 - IMO seems that the clearinghouse model solves the problems of organization and searchability...one database per medical assn. #CMEchat

spelletier             Yes, and also quality/relatability 2 local practice RT @mangelcesm: #CMEchat T2 Too much events How to classify their importance? #cmechat

kenny_cox          RT @kenny_cox: Clearinghouse definition?  @BrianSMcGowan: T2 - @MedPedsDoctor - i might argue that there are many channels… #cmechat

BrianSMcGowan              T2 - when new data is presented. that is the moment when medical assn's can begin to control quality. from the source. #CMEchat

mangelcesm      #CMEchat T2 Too much events for review... How do we to classify their importance?

BrianSMcGowan              @spelletier - we will address quality...this too can be engineered into the system via continuous improvement #cmechat

BrianSMcGowan              T2 - @MedPedsDoctor - i might argue that there are many channels, yes. but there are no true clearinghouse for new medical content. #CMEchat

spelletier             t2 also depends on the quality of the slide decks as standalone resources #cmechat

MedPedsDoctor               RT @kenny_cox: T2 challenges when trying 2 find information applicable 2 their practice.  Organization & searchability are crucial #cmechat

MedPedsDoctor               A clearinghouse works in an ideal world.  Problem is, there are 10 million "clearinghouses" for primary care docs.  #toomany #cmechat

BrianSMcGowan              @mangelcesm - but remember that the content is created (in most cases) before the new information is even presented, speed is easy #CMEchat

kenny_cox          T2 challenges when trying to find information applicable to their practice.  Organization and searchability are crucial #cmechat

spelletier             t2 cons: unless faculty is available, have to interpret slide decks on their own, try to adjust to local circumstances w/out input #cmechat

mangelcesm      #CMEchat T1 Hummm, we'd make equilibriums between validity and 'disseminability', mainly if speed does matter

BrianSMcGowan              t2 - the clearest win in the core content model is cost and fidelity. a clearinghouse would save tens of millions of dollars. #CMEchat

spelletier             t2 pros: learners get direct access to data, don't have to rely on others' interpretations #cmechat

kenny_cox          Have faculty on retainer and editor prompt when response is necessary RT @spelletier: @kenny_cox like idea of having faculty avail;#cmechat

TodaysHospital RT @MedPedsDoctor: credits are to compliance like accreditation is to quality #cmechat

MedPedsDoctor               Archiving is critical.  All the time, I say: "I remember a talk at BLANK mtg about X".  Now, can pull it up.  Yeah, @evernote @myEN #cmechat

theCMEguy        @rmtyner I'll add I have participated in an accredited rapid model & was fairly "successful". Not easy, tho #CMEchat

BrianSMcGowan              T2 What are the pros/cons of medical associations creating & archiving core slide decks available upon the data release? #CMEchat

spelletier             @kenny_cox like idea of having faculty avail; how to do that in real time? Web site faculty monitor for RT Q&A? #cmechat

CMEChat             T2 What are the pros/cons of medical associations creating & archiving core slide decks available upon the data release? #CMEchat

MedPedsDoctor               As an educator, the system should be easily accessible, on the learner's time.  However, there is nothing like a "real" mtg 2 learn #cmechat

theCMEguy        @spelletier Agreed, but I think there may be some value to the personal POV #CMEchat

MedPedsDoctor               The educator needs to understand the learner point of view.  That's why I take the same "courses"/credits are everyone else #cmechat

rmtyner               @theCMEguy I would agree that accreditation does not accommodate rapid dissemination - just wanted to make sure :) #CMEchat

BrianSMcGowan              @mangelcesm - good point. the notion of validity is essential. new information must be high fidelity... #CMEchat

theCMEguy        @rmtyner In the context we are discussing here, I think they matter very little.  Not conducive to a rapid  learning experience #CMEchat

kenny_cox          Definitely need to have the faculty available for further communication.  Questions need answers without tremendous barriers #cmechat

rmtyner               T1 need to go to where the learners are... not make the learners come to content #CMEchat

spelletier             Me 2 except for potential source bias RT @theCMEguy: T1: I like example of the blogger as disseminator.  #cmechat

BrianSMcGowan              t1 @MedPedsDoctor so you go for 'access' as a learner, but as an educator, what should the system look like? #cmechat

MedPedsDoctor               credits are to compliance like accreditation is to quality #cmechat

mangelcesm      #CMEchat Miguel Ángel García from Madrid (Spain) Do validity and fiability matter, or only dissemination?

theCMEguy        T1: I like example of the blogger as disseminator. So many different ways you can go with that. I like the idea of an actual voice #CMEchat

BrianSMcGowan              .@rmtyner - no way jose. credits have never been proven to motivate learning. they have been proven to complicate education... #CMEchat

MedPedsDoctor               T1. I am enjoying (as a customer) online CME learning.  1. EpocratesCME 2. Pedialink t.co/HRNPktxv  #cmechat

CMEChat             t1 - 'best' in terms of connecting new data to improved patient care. reach and speed and fidelity all essential. #CMEchat

BrianSMcGowan              T1 - there may not be a single right answer, but i wld vote for something rapid, local, w/ a connection to the original data #CMEchat

rmtyner               T1 - I know that we are in the #CMEchat but does the information need to be accredited or just disseminated? Do CME credits matter??

theCMEguy        T1: Best = ?. Reachest largest audience? #CMEchat

spelletier             T1 @CMEChat define best? Best in terms of reach, understanding? #cmechat

CMEChat             T1 What is the best model for disseminating new medical information beyond the space and time of the major medical meeting? #CMEchat

theCMEguy        Basketball? RT @MedPedsDoctor: Right now, Indianapolis is dominating this chat.  Wish it were the same in football ... #cmechat

BrianSMcGowan              One great #IHI quote: Pencils & diamonds same substrate different connections - pencil more useful, diamds more valuable... #CMEchat

theCMEguy        @BrianSMcGowan @spelletier I don't think that would go over so well...#CMEchat

doclake                RT @BrianSMcGowan: not sure if anyone has the time, but the stream from #IHI is marvelous - this is a meeting that all CME pro's should attend #CMEchat

BrianSMcGowan              For more background information please read the latest cover story in Medical Meetings:http://t.co/xJ8Z9PB6 #CMEchat

BrianSMcGowan              so can you...RT @theCMEguy: @spelletier Yeah, but you can participate in #CMEchat in your PJ's...

MedPedsDoctor               Right now, Indianapolis is dominating this chat.  Wish it were the same in football ... #cmechat

BrianSMcGowan              It think we have an interesting topic today: "re-engineering the data stream" love to get some great insights into the model #CMEchat

theCMEguy        @spelletier Yeah, but you can participate in #CMEchat in your PJ's...

laurenero            Lauren here from rainy Maryland #CMEchat

BrianSMcGowan              Too much writing, to attend...sadly. RT @MedPedsDoctor: Brian, are you there at #IHI in Orlando, or following via computer stream? #cmechat

theCMEguy        I'm back. 5 lbs heavier. #godiva #cmechat

BrianSMcGowan              nope...RT @rmtyner: Michelle - checking in from Indiana - didn't do the homework? am I going to lose points?? #CMEchat

MedPedsDoctor               Brian, are you there at #IHI in Orlando, or following via computer stream? #cmechat

BrianSMcGowan              And for those at #IHI you may want to peer into #CMEchat (now) to get a sense of what those in CME are trying to do to improve healthcare

rmtyner               Michelle - checking in from Indiana - didn't do the homework? am I going to lose points?? #CMEchat

BrianSMcGowan              not sure if anyone has the time, but the stream from #IHI is marvelous - this is a meeting that all CME pro's should attend #CMEchat

spelletier             @theCMEguy that's one of the bummer's of telecommuting: no Godiva gift baskets (or snow days)! #cmechat

MedPedsDoctor               Alex Djuricich, MD, from the great state of Indiana.  CME Assoc Dean, & Prog Dir of MedPeds residency at IUSM #cmechat

kenny_cox          Kenny here - enjoyed the homework, looking forward to a good discussion on #cmechat

CMEChat             As with each #CMEchat the archive will be available at t.co/nOLVEvIB and archived as a pdf on www.CMEadvocate.com

CMEChat             As with each #CMEchat we will guide the convo with 3 or 4 topics, but the real learning and teaching lies in your tweets - please engage.

CMEChat             Rule 7. A few mins before the end of #CMEchat, reintroduce yourself. Links, requests & shameless plugs welcome, too - #makingfriends

CMEChat             Rule 6. On #CMEchat we aim to play nice. Sarcasm & irony welcome though. Really. Seriously. #laughingislearning

CMEChat             Rule 5. Periodically RT questions so those outside #CMEchat know what you’re talking about & so they can chime in too

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CMEChat             Rule 3. When writing, complete thoughts help followers outside chat learn from you. #CMEchat

CMEChat             Rule 2. [try to] stay on the #CMEchat topic. A new question will be asked every 12 min or so. If you can, include T# in related responses.

CMEChat             Rules for #CMEchat: 1. Introduce yourself. Location? Focus? Fave topics? What brings you here today?

BrianSMcGowan              Welcome to #CMEchat. All discussions herein are assumed to be personal opinion & not that of current, past, or future employers.

theCMEguy        Gonna be late for #CMEchat. Godiva gift basket just arrived in the lunchroom...

spelletier             5 minutes until #CMEchat Topic: How data gets disseminated & what happens after an Annual mtg t.co/72bheudz [HOMEWORK] #cmechat

Bonnycastle       @theCMEguy @BrianSMcGowan I'm one of the people who doesn't participate in #CMEchat simply because I am too busy right now

Bonnycastle       RT @MedPubDirector: #mededmooc is starting to take shape-tweeps are beginning to express an interest in signup t.co/gSg9CLEV #meded #cmechat #nhs #some

BrianSMcGowan              Impact on business models, copyright, or membership value must be addressed though parallel innovation t.co/zPrZ6ODO #CMEchat

BrianSMcGowan              Local institutions must stream feedback into the clearinghouse system 2 refine model overtime. t.co/zPrZ6ODO #CMEchat

BrianSMcGowan              Technology should allow local institutions to pull the new medical information into their networks. t.co/zPrZ6ODO #CMEchat

BrianSMcGowan              Authors should b obligated 2 shepherd new data for a period of time 2 ensure that questions r answered. t.co/zPrZ6ODO #CMEchat

BrianSMcGowan              Societies/associations must develop clearinghouse models that enable rapid and open access. t.co/zPrZ6ODO #CMEchat

BrianSMcGowan              Data that are presented at annual meetings must be curated more effectively. t.co/zPrZ6ODO #CMEchat

BrianSMcGowan              2 hrs until #CMEchat this week: How data gets disseminated & what happens after an Annual medical mtg t.co/0LvBxJ3X [HOMEWORK]

 

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