#CMEchat 36: Virtual environments, congresses, & distance learning
Here are the topics which guided our conversation:
T1 According to adult learning theory (& practice), what are the most valuable elements of live, face-2-face, medical education? #CMEchat
T2 Given new technologies, are there ways to drawn on these live, face-2-face value elements but leverage online formats? #CMEchat
T3 Groups have begun running live, virtual mtgs, recreating the pieces of an annual meeting. How might this impact CME? #CMEchat
T4 Technology allows medical professionals to create education thru youtube, ustream, slideshare. How might this impact CME?#CMEchat
T5a The MOOC (http://bit.ly/qE8BUq) - massive open online course – is emerging as a viable educational model. (pt 1) #CMEchat
T5b Can MOOC’s have a role in medical education? Or, are MOOC best served as a means of our own CPD? #CMEchat
The transcript can be reviewed below (begin at the bottom) or downloaded HERE:
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meducate @Kind4Kids #cmechat I think that they are mutually exclusive. Sme may need repetition, but all need application
Kind4Kids @meducate @cmechat would say application, not necessarily repetition, is learning. #CMEchat
dpguinee @evitalivoti5003 @YogaAlicia3 @theCMEguy - Thx for help. I have wireless keyboard n it works great w bluetooth; not w me, tho #cmechat
meducate @dpguinee @BrianSMcGowan #cmechat But more opportunities for ongoing change and feedback...can't effectively crowdsource in a lecture hall
theCMEguy Nope, non-accredited. To many COI's... #cmechat RT @YogAlicia3: @CMEChat I think I'm all set now. Can I get certified credit for that?
Kind4Kids @BrianSMcGowan @medpedsdoctor @thecmeguy I'm currently watching a presentation from MedHub, do you use/like that? #meded #gme #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan @MedPedsDoctor ...and downloads...and the source of the traffic... #cmechat
dpguinee Challenge as w open mics at live mtg is a vocal few ppl taking over. RT @meducate: @BrianSMcGowan T5 MOOC approach? #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan Next week will be the last #CMEchat of the year - please wear you best holiday sweater and please bring baked goods!!!!
MedPedsDoctor What I learned today: 1. need to engage in a MOOC 2. Slideshare captures "hits" to its site. #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan Thanks for joining #CMEchat...to the participants and the lurkers...I hope you learned one thing to make your (work) lives more fulfilled!!!
Sarina_Med RT @MedPedsDoctor: YouTube is great for finding great videos for medical education. Prob is: needle in a haystack of stuff. #cmechat
theCMEguy OK, I'm clicking. AHHH...MY EARS!!! RT @BrianSMcGowan: Looking for Freedom - Hoff: t.co/t2dPTRlt #CMEchat
CMEChat The real impact of the #CMEchat lies in your action - please engage others to participate & take action on things your have learned!
theCMEguy Oh no you didn't! I'm not clicking... RT @BrianSMcGowan: Looking for Freedom - Hoff: t.co/t2dPTRlt #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan Thx for participating in #CMEchat. Discussions herein are assumed 2 b personal opinion & not that of current, past, or future employers.
dpguinee TOTD RT @medpedsdoctor: "But I still haven't found what I'm looking for" ... t.co/QFZdpDb8… #cmechat
meducate @BrianSMcGowan T5 #cmechat I love the MOOC approach. Perhaps more comments will arise when we demonstrate it's use?
BrianSMcGowan Looking for Freedom - Hoff: t.co/mMrYLyAo #CMEchat
MedPedsDoctor Physicians are looking wherever they can find info the fastest ... or, how they learned to find it when they were training #cmechat
YogAlicia3 @BrianSMcGowan T5 #cmechat I need a MOOC on how to engage in a MOOC.
theCMEguy Awareness. Where's @dean_jenkins ? RT @BrianSMcGowan: T5 - not much discussion about the MOOC - no interest or no awareness? #CMEchat
timclynch There is t.co/ruijj6ox I don't know about others. More importantly, where are physicians looking? YouTube first? #cmechat
meducate @BrianSMcGowan @timclynch #cmechat data may be global or local, but learning must be applied locally
MedPedsDoctor "But I still haven't found what I'm looking for" ... t.co/coMmhuNq #cmechat
theCMEguy Very nice... RT @meducate: @MedPedsDoctor #cmechat YouTube plus tagging plus rating would lead to finding what you're looking for...
BrianSMcGowan T5 - not much discussion about the MOOC - no interest or no awareness? #CMEchat
ChargeAheadMktg that wud be fun RT @thecmeguy: T4: Would love to combine Twitter with SlideShare for a live tweeted lecture... #cmechat
mtmdphd RT @BrianSMcGowan: t4 - my slides from Medicine 2.0 have more than 9,000 views on slideshare...http://slidesha.re/oxa0pW ...if content is good...#CMEchat
CMEChat As we get wrap up, please vote for the tweet of the day (#TOTD) seen during this week's #CMEchat.
YogAlicia3 @theCMEguy LOL. Just sent @dpguinee same via DM. #cmechat
theCMEguy agree- need to adapt to audience RT @BrianSMcGowan: there is often a challenge with 'global' programs in context and culture... #cmechat
meducate @MedPedsDoctor #cmechat YouTube plus tagging plus rating would lead to finding what you're looking for...
theCMEguy #cmechat RT @danfrakes: After testing over three dozen iPad keyboards, I give you our iPad keyboard buying guide t.co/7mOmCUPd
BrianSMcGowan @timclynch - but all learning is local? there is often a challenge with 'global' programs in context and culture... #cmechat
MedPedsDoctor I would like to see a @Doximity app unique to the iPad ... #cmechat
meducate @BrianSMcGowan #cmechat Can't catch up now...I'll read the archive and participate moving forward. A synchronous/asynchronous combo
timclynch @theCMEguy yes, but is it marketed to global audience? Funded globally? #cmechat
MedPedsDoctor RT @meducate: @MedPedsDoctor #cmechat What more could doximity offer? "Which city you will be in next ..." #cmechat
theCMEguy @timclynch Isn't online CME by its very nature, global? #noborders #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan t1-5b: everybody is waiting for what @meducate has to add to the conversation...BTW, he can not 'credit' for joining so late ;-) #CMEchat
meducate @MedPedsDoctor #cmechat What more could doximity offer?
timclynch Can we expand Online CME beyond US boarders? What about a global program that engages across globe? #cmechat
theCMEguy T5: MOOC's def can play role in med ed, but think it could be problematic for certified CME. #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan but "search' makes needle available...RT @MedPedsDoctor: YouTube is great...Prob is: needle in a haystack of stuff. #cmechat
MedPedsDoctor Doximity integrates Amion call schedules, and pharmacies, into the location where one is using it. #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan @theCMEguy - well i oughta... #CMEchat
MedPedsDoctor YouTube is great for finding great videos for medical education. Prob is: needle in a haystack of stuff. #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan @MedPedsDoctor - what about doximity do you like? tell us more... #cmechat
timclynch @theCMEguy that would be cool #cmechat
theCMEguy How many from bots? ;-) RT @BrianSMcGowan: my slides from Med 2.0 have more than 9,000 views slideshare...http://slidesha.re/oxa0pW #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan #TOTD RT @theCMEguy: T4: Impact? Remember that YouTube is the 2nd largest search engine in the world. #cmechat
meducate #CMEchat Better late than never...hello all!
CMEChat T5b Can MOOC’s have a role in medical education? Or, are MOOC best served as a means of our own CPD? #CMEchat
CMEChat For example: T5a The MOOC (http://t.co/loSZwUOX) - massive open online course – is emerging as a viable educational model. (pt 1) #CMEchat
theCMEguy T4: Would love to combine Twitter with SlideShare for a live tweeted lecture... #cmechat
MedPedsDoctor @chargeaheadmktg Exactly my point. There is a place for occasionally going to see colleagues, learn, catch up on content #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan t4 - my slides from Medicine 2.0 have more than 9,000 views on slideshare...http://slidesha.re/oxa0pW ...if content is good...#CMEchat
MedPedsDoctor T4. We are already there. @doximity rocks! Heard Jeff Tangney speak at AAMC. Great stuff. #cmechat
ChargeAheadMktg hell no! RT @medpedsdoctor: A doc that NEVER interacts with other docs out there IRL. Would you want that doc caring for you? #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan t4 - and university faculty have begun doing this quite successfully...creating free and for fee courses. #CMEchat
ChargeAheadMktg T4: those channels def amplify info-sharing. are also on-demand in nature, ie. no "live" or "timed" elements, per se. #cmechat
theCMEguy T4: Impact? Remember that YouTube is the 2nd largest search engine in the world. #cmechat
YogAlicia3 T3 @BrianSMcGowan Innovation may need to start with addressing alternative revenue streams - rest may follow. #cmechat
MedPedsDoctor A doc that NEVER interacts with other docs out there IRL. Would you want that doc caring for you? #cmechat
timclynch @BrianSMcGowan time for the iPad keyboard? #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan t4 - could we get to a place where individual docs ot groups of docs are createing grassroots tech-enabled education? #CMEchat
ChargeAheadMktg would seem so RT @davidpaulnoble: @ChargeAheadMktg if u make progs live w/ defined "performance " times isn't it audience limiting? #CMEChat
theCMEguy T4: Impact? $$$ #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan srroy to here thatt. god look! RT @dpguinee: Also, typing on iPad, I can't #keepup w you #cmechat folks
dpguinee Also, typing on iPad, I can't #keepup w you #cmechat folks
timclynch @ChargeAheadMktg isnt SoMe one big ongoing, never-ending virtual event? but how do we get it accredited? Does credit matter? #cmechat
YogAlicia3 T3 #cmechat Still think we need to remember that education doesn't start with 'CM-' - ok if not all edu for credit (already true)
CMEChat T4 Technology allows medical professionals to create education thru youtube, ustream, slideshare. How might this impact CME?#CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan t3 - medical associations can make their full year's budget at the annual meeting...this is a HUGE barrier to innovation herein. #CMEchat
dpguinee Yes! Can't supplant live f2f, done right, w virtual RT @BrianSMcGowan: t2 - so here is one equation i might postulate... #CMEchat
DavidPaulNoble @ChargeAheadMktg yes SoMe is ongoing, but if you make progs live with defined "performance " times isn't it audience limiting? #CMEChat
BrianSMcGowan @jackhandy? RT @theCMEguy: That's deep, man MT @ChargeAheadMktg: isnt SoMe one big ongoing, never-ending virtual event?...". #cmechat
theCMEguy That's deep, man MT @ChargeAheadMktg: isnt SoMe one big ongoing, never-ending virtual event?...". #cmechat
timclynch @ChargeAheadMktg so true! #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan @ChargeAheadMktg - but not everything is suited for asynchrony...complex concepts... as we move from awareness to synthesis...#cmechat
DavidPaulNoble @timclynch Fair point re: "best time". Trial & error? Am sure more subtle than that! #CMEChat
ChargeAheadMktg isnt SoMe one big ongoing, never-ending virtual event? timezones only matter in the context of defined event "times". #cmechat
YogAlicia3 T3 Impact CME? Some of it is already CME - good, bad, and ugly. #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan t3 - ... the cost structure will dictate the success of virtual live meetings. The will be needed or avoided b/c of $$ #CMEchat
timclynch @DavidPaulNoble How do we know when the best time is? I have done live webcasts that took place at 8pm and did much better then 1p #cmechat
YogAlicia3 RT T3 Groups have begun running live, virtual mtgs, recreating the pieces of an annual meeting. How might this impact CME? #CMEchat
MedPedsDoctor I think planners have to get past the concept that an "annual meeting" needs to be the done the same way. Shake it up! #cmechat
beffuh Agree. RT @MedPedsDoctor Find it odd that sometimes the cost of linking in to a feed is MORE $$ than airfare, hotel & registration #cmechat
YogAlicia3 T2 #cmechat Am no early adopter, but have made it to Twitter. Those apps scare me even more. ;)
theCMEguy T2: plus, I pretty much only think in 140 characters now... :-) #cmechat
CMEChat T3 Groups have begun running live, virtual mtgs, recreating the pieces of an annual meeting. How might this impact CME? #CMEchat
theCMEguy @timclynch You can't please everybody all the time; someone will have to get up early, go to bed late #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan @timclynch - i only talk to people in MY timezone ;-) #cmechat
DavidPaulNoble @timclynch It's TimeZone issues that make online on demand, with interaction thru SoMe more attractive than live per se #CMEChat
rmtyner Michelle in Indy joining late #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan +! RT @theCMEguy: @MedPedsDoctor That's what deck.ly, tweetlonger, etc are for, but personally find them super-annoying #cmechat
YogAlicia3 @areesemd Feel free to join #cmechat anytime. You put the M in CME. :)
DavidPaulNoble RT @timclynch: T2: How do you deal with time zone issues when using G+ for live online learning? #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan all good for groups < 10. RT @theCMEguy: T2: G+ pros: The ability to combine shared video, whiteboard and record the session #cmechat
theCMEguy @MedPedsDoctor That's what deck.ly, tweetlonger, etc are for, but personally find them super-annoying #cmechat
timclynch T2: How do you deal with time zone issues when using G+ for live online learning? #cmechat
MedPedsDoctor t.co/UN4P9d5a Asynch learning #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan @MedPedsDoctor - see #IHI last week? #cmechat
theCMEguy T2: G+ cons: er...nobody's there. Hyperbole, but it would take effort to get participants signed up, trained, etc #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan t2 - so here is one equation i might postulate for live meetings: n=1000 <<< n=100 < virtual <<< n=10 #CMEchat
ChargeAheadMktg T2: absolutely yes! altho contingent on learners taking time to understand SoMe and participate in a potential diff way for them. #cmechat
timclynch RT @theCMEguy: T2: G+ pros: The ability to combine shared video, whiteboard and record the session #cmechat
MedPedsDoctor Can someone invent an "override" to Twitter 140 character-rule, for that time when you just have more to say? #cmechat
YogAlicia3 T2 Challenge is that 'live' is a known entity. Learners need to learn emerging tech first... #cmechat
YogAlicia3 T2 There are ways, yes. Some synchronous, some asynchronous. Success prob depends on learners' willingness and comfort. #cmechat
theCMEguy T2: G+ pros: The ability to combine shared video, whiteboard and record the session #cmechat
MedPedsDoctor I find it odd that sometimes the cost of linking in to a feed at a big mtg is MORE $$ than airfare, hotel & registration #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan @theCMEguy - what are the elements of G+ that seem to work? what falls short and needs to be improved? #cmechat
DavidPaulNoble T2 live face-to-face is time consuming, requires attendance at specific times. Interaction through SoME better at time of choice? #CMEChat
BrianSMcGowan #sarcasm RT @DavidPaulNoble: @theCMEguy T1- surely it's # of participants that complete ? #CMEchat
theCMEguy T2: I think G+ Hangouts is an excellent forum for this. I've seen it used little, but like what I've seen... #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan T2 - sounds like the greatest benefit of IRL mtg is engaging with faculty, peers, AND content...surely this can be done virtually. #CMEchat
YogAlicia3 RT T2 Given new technologies, are there ways to drawn on these live, face-2-face value elements but leverage online formats? #CMEchat
DavidPaulNoble @theCMEguy T1- surely it's # of participants that complete ? #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan nice point. RT @MedPedsDoctor: The learner has to choose to engage. Some are there for the wrong reasons. #cmechat
YogAlicia3 @BrianSMcGowan Why? Was right. ;) #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan @theCMEguy - I am certainly in agreement with that! #CMEchat
MedPedsDoctor @BrianSMcGowan The learner has to choose to engage. Some are there for the wrong reasons. #cmechat
DavidPaulNoble @BrianSMcGowan Why do we need meetings to interact with faculty when we have SoME? #CMEChat
BrianSMcGowan @YogAlicia3 - stop guessing ;-) #cmechat
CMEChat T2 Given new technologies, are there ways to drawn on these live, face-2-face value elements but leverage online formats? #CMEchat
theCMEguy T1: So are we saying # of participants should not be end goal of live meeting. Number may depend on desired result? #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan @MedPedsDoctor - you would hope...but can learners engage in a room of 1000? or is it more akin to print-based education? #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan t1 - in the end I am not sure 'live IRL meetings' is all that narrow of a category considering 1000 vs 10 is very different room. #CMEchat
MedPedsDoctor Educational goals of meeting sizes of 1000, 100, 10 are all different. sometimes, just gotta get the info to lots of folks. #cmechat
YogAlicia3 @BrianSMcGowan Does next topic ask how to translate to virtual learning? Is challenge... #cmechat
DavidPaulNoble Not specific to CME but my former employer looks a health engagement across audience types, worth a read t.co/4LEBd3qT #CMEChat
YogAlicia3 @BrianSMcGowan Often IRL perspective comes more from peers than 'experts'/teachers -> may be undervalued #cmechat
timclynch T1: Creating a environment where participants can distill forest (academic trial data) into better ways to treat their trees. #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan t1 - new thought: room of 1000 = audience. room of 100 = learners. room of 10 = participants. benefits differ b/w environments...#CMEchat
MedPedsDoctor Look at the way @AAIM_Meetings sets theirs up. Lots of "everything". Big "didactic", small groups, workshops, #thewholenineyards #cmechat
YogAlicia3 My educator heart swelled @briansmcgowan RT @YogAlicia3: T1 #cmechat Kgarten: teacher instructed students to ask peers for help b4 adults.
dpguinee Hello again...long time, no #cmechat. Not going to miss another.
BrianSMcGowan T1- IRL meetings allow learners to ask question of the faculty or the other learners...equally importance? #CMEchat
ChargeAheadMktg RT @timclynch: T1: Why on most 'Live' agendas is the peer-peer interaction relegated to break times? #cmechat
theCMEguy Good point. need to build it inRT @timclynch: T1: Why on most 'Live' agendas is the peer-peer interaction relegated to break times? #cmechat
MedPedsDoctor A meeting without breakout sessions or small groups is missing opportunity to connect/engage #cmechat
ChargeAheadMktg T1: interaction w/ peers that enhances & augments didactic content #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan interact...share...critique...take ownership (ask personal questions...) RT @YogAlicia3: Define 'engage'? #cmechat
MedPedsDoctor T1. Connection to other like-minded individuals, ability to ask ?s right away, and get responses right away. #cmechat
YogAlicia3 @BrianSMcGowan Define 'engage'? #cmechat
theCMEguy @BrianSMcGowan depends on structure of meeting - are there breakout sessions, small groups, etc #CMEchat
BrianSMcGowan #TOTD? RT @YogAlicia3: T1 #cmechat Observing kindergarten: teacher instructed students to check w/ peers for help 1st b4 asking adults.
timclynch T1: Why on most 'Live' agendas is the peer-peer interaction relegated to break times? #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan T1 - the ability to ask questoin, to understand nuances that could only be sense IRL (in real life) #CMEchat
YogAlicia3 T1 #cmechat Observing kindergarten class yesterday, teacher instructed students to check with peers for help first before asking adults.
BrianSMcGowan T1 - i think most obviously is the ability to engage...but not sure that happens at all (or most) live CME activities...#CMEchat
YogAlicia3 T1 #cmechat Is this a quiz? Peer-to-peer exchange (often informal) is incredibly valuable in live education.
MedPedsDoctor renee_berry I like that RT! #cmechat
YogAlicia3 T1 According to adult learning theory (& practice), what are the most valuable elements of live, face-2-face, medical education? #CMEchat
theCMEguy And in basketball it's lousy ;-) RT @MedPedsDoctor: @theCMEguy in baseball, .333 is actually pretty good for batting average. #cmechat
CMEChat T1 According to adult learning theory (& practice), what are the most valuable elements of live, face-2-face, medical education? #CMEchat
renee_berry RT @DrJenGunter: RT @MedPedsDoctor: Twitter & Tweeting at Medical Conferences: t.co/xPXxvzL5 #meded #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan Hall of famer! RT @MedPedsDoctor: @theCMEguy in baseball, .333 is actually pretty good for batting average. #cmechat
YogAlicia3 @BrianSMcGowan I bet you say that to all the Twitter chats... #cmechat
timclynch Tim here from cold but sunny CT, ready for the warmth of virtual/distance CME #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan This week is all about learning in virtual environments, virtual congresses, & distance learning #CMEchat [the good and the bad...]
MedPedsDoctor @theCMEguy in baseball, .333 is actually pretty good for batting average. #cmechat
MedPedsDoctor Alex Djuricich, physician & medical educator in CME and GME in Indy, IN. Enjoy technology to improve education, not in place of #cmechat
renee_berry RT @BrianSMcGowan: 5 mins until #CMEchat discussing virtual environments, virtual congresses, & distance learning. i apologize for the high TPM ;-)
BrianSMcGowan (BTW, I have had some great calls in the past few days with #HCSM peeps...loving the community) but my heart belongs to #CMEchat...
theCMEguy 1 out of 3; not bad...RT @BrianSMcGowan: Heloo heelo hello! to those on #CMEchat Brian here just outside of philadelphia...
YogAlicia3 #cmechat Alicia - pharmacist by training, educator at heart...lots of places and ways. Still no snow in Rochester, NY. :(
BrianSMcGowan Beauty of virtual learning...RT @theCMEguy: Derek in Exton, PA. Might have to do a bit of popping in and out today. #cmechat
ChargeAheadMktg Glenn, marketing pro in Milford, CT. here for 30 min or so today. also lover of virtual events & distance learning. #cmechat
BrianSMcGowan Heloo heelo hello! to those on #CMEchat Brian here just outside of philadelphia...
theCMEguy Derek in Exton, PA. Might have to do a bit of popping in and out today. #cmechat
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